tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post6348897420032355479..comments2022-10-31T02:33:02.326-07:00Comments on Deadliest Warrior Deathmatch: Back for Blood Tribal Championship : Amazonian Huaorani Indians vs. Hawaiian Koas!monopolymanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16100557657021711317noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-83642943851971777582011-11-04T13:23:33.376-07:002011-11-04T13:23:33.376-07:00Great job again friend!
I think it was obvious who...Great job again friend!<br />I think it was obvious who would win. But still amazingly great.<br />Can't wit to see Sarah win.<br />Updated more fan-art, and doing my best to continue working on my first match-up.Northern_Dancing-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066997455650270558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-27535055094011356322011-10-30T17:24:48.703-07:002011-10-30T17:24:48.703-07:00Kaimana to Mincaye:
"I don't need yo'...Kaimana to Mincaye:<br /><br />"I don't need yo' civil woa, bitch!!!"<br /><br />Seriously though, awesome job on this. Way better than the previous battle, and possibly the best one from you yet. You did an excellent job in making the characters interesting, even though most of them were new. Also, the predator-prey chase was extremely tense and the battle itself was more graphic than ever! Excellent job yet again.<br /><br />I was kind of sad to see Mincaye die, but I guess it had to happen in the long run- the Huaorani probably wouldn't have forgiven imself or his enemies in any case. A question: who was the last Huaorani to survive?<br /><br />As a brief side note, it's ironic that in your battles Mincaye fights to the very end in true Huaorani fashion. The real Mincaye (who is still alive today, believe it or not) was involved in the killing of missionaries at Auca, but he later became a Christian and renounced violence. I think it's cool that you name your warriors after real people- is your Kaimana character also based on a historical person?<br /><br />I'm glad that we came out on the same side of the battle this time, since the result did make sense in most cases. I suppose the martial arts and defenses were enough of an improvement over the Fijians to make a difference, after all.<br /><br />By the way, if you ever want ideas for battle music I'd be glad to offer suggestions (although guns and roses was awesome!)<br /><br />About the next match, I actually never read Dante vs. Alex so I guess it's time for some homework! Sara's my early favorite, though.<br /><br />Congratulations on an excellent match, and stop by for the Ultimate Showdown between Sora and Toon Link!Vercingetorix712https://www.blogger.com/profile/16722701279702890674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-38740247108047247762011-10-30T16:50:15.066-07:002011-10-30T16:50:15.066-07:00Hey man :D)
I have to congratulate you once more ...Hey man :D)<br /><br />I have to congratulate you once more on a job very well done. I can tell very easily that you're a man who likes to take it one step extra ;) <br /><br />Honestly though, this battle was marvelous and you did a great job of representing these cultures. THey were exciting and exotic without seeming cardboard or exploitive. <br /><br />The fight was amazing, seesawing back and forth at various points but I think your end result was right on the mark. <br /><br />i eagerly await your Sarah vs Alex match ;) Though Sarah's picture is missing for some reason.<br /><br />Ta<br /><br />Master of the BootMaster of the Boothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284553951275227314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-76533397355133201622011-10-30T14:12:18.248-07:002011-10-30T14:12:18.248-07:00Very Very Very Very nice dude. You brought the sto...Very Very Very Very nice dude. You brought the story great and kept it entertaining to the end. really did not expect such a training.<br /><br />I do have one sugestion. When you swap side of telling the story, you might try to keep some space between it. Due to the strange names of the warriors, it might get confusing.<br /><br />For your next match.I agree that Sarah will win. She is just more powerfulBucklerArthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09437486831825379854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-26452925037804410952011-10-30T05:46:33.119-07:002011-10-30T05:46:33.119-07:00Excellent Battle and a somewhat shocking result. T...Excellent Battle and a somewhat shocking result. Though outmatched in long range and tactics, it was the Koa's ability to strike back at closer range and run down the Huaorani with their superior martial skill. Good match to both warriors here.<br /><br />Alex vs. Sarah is going to be awesome too, with myself pulling for Sarah. Unless Alex can get around them, the pisonic may prove to much for him, though he does bring better defensive point to this than Anakin.Holden https://www.blogger.com/profile/04719466705709445939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-22336560750800573502011-10-29T09:10:44.657-07:002011-10-29T09:10:44.657-07:00@ Vercingetorix Thanks for the Edges predictions a...@ Vercingetorix Thanks for the Edges predictions and overall prediction! They were extremely helpful in making this, and for that I thank you.As you can see I did take your edges in particular into account, and our predictions ended up almost being exact where it hadn't been in the past (as much with Shaka vs. Arminius, and not at all with Sarah vs. Anakin) .<br /><br />You are correct in that the Hauorani barely won the last battle, and I think that this will be a factor in this coming battle, too. The battle is getting pretty close to being done, and hopefully I can put it out this weekend.monopolymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16100557657021711317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-5597182861881973632011-10-27T18:22:44.303-07:002011-10-27T18:22:44.303-07:00Hey there, hope the main battle is going well and ...Hey there, hope the main battle is going well and I appreciate your kind reception to my edge predictions. I guess it's now time for my overall prediction:<br /><br />I won't lie to you, early on I voted for the Huaorani in your poll and I favored them to win by a comfortable margin. After all, they possess superior stealth instincts, hard-hitting bows, poison weapons, and a culture of vengeance. What's not to like?<br /><br />Unfortunately for the Huaorani, though, I think there's a big difference between their past opponent (who they narrowly beat) and the Koa. In particular, the Hawaiians seem to be a far more trained and professional warrior culture than the Fijians were. The Koa were drilled constantly in the martial arts, and they were proficient to the maximum in close range combat. In particular, I think their higher discipline will allow them to cope better with the Huaorani irregular tactics than the Fijians did.<br /><br />Furthermore, I think the abilities of the battle capes and the coconut vests will be something entirely foreign to the Huaorani, who are unfamiliar with the use of armor. At close range, this tips the combat balance even further towards the Koa, but at long range these may slightly reduce the number of blowgun kills as well.<br /><br />These points are no disrespect to the Huaorani, who definitely have the advantage under the right circumstances. The problem with the Indian hunters is that their current opponents are effective in a greater variety of battle situations- the Huaorani must ambush and expertly use terrain to win, while the Hawaiians in addition to these approaches can win in more conventional battlefield situations as well. If one aims to determine who is the Deadliest Warrior, I think this versatility must be considered.<br /><br />To conclude, I think that these are two warrior cultures that have different ways of approaching battle. The Huaorani are very deadly, but I believe they are at a disadvantage in most instances of actual fighting against the Koa. In addition, I'm just not convinced that on neutral terrain against disciplined enemies the Huaorani ambushes will be effective enough to override the previously stated disadvantage. With that in mind, I'm picking the Koa to win by a score of 2700 to 2300.<br /><br />Also, the edges on Sora vs. Toon Link are finally done! Let's hear some final predictions for that battle from your readers!Vercingetorix712https://www.blogger.com/profile/16722701279702890674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-16048801135275967802011-10-26T07:35:48.789-07:002011-10-26T07:35:48.789-07:00This is again, very Awesome! Looking forward to re...This is again, very Awesome! Looking forward to reading more. <br />And like what Mater of the Boot said, you're portrayal of these two cultures is excellent. This is going to be anybody's game as far as who is going to win [though the Koa have more to bring as far as armour, close quarter combat and training]. <br />Love how you start off the introduction by referring to the previous match-ups.<br />Going to re-work on my Rough Riders vs. Boer Commandos [with a few adjustments made].<br />Be sure to check out my new DWC fanart I updated last night: Sharptooth the Vampire [mountain lion] vs. Zombie Rats [plus Smokepaw].Northern_Dancing-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066997455650270558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-89491191265494663552011-10-24T19:24:30.907-07:002011-10-24T19:24:30.907-07:00Rules:
I think both of these cultures will forget...Rules: <br />I think both of these cultures will forget any rules they had when they see how ruthless the opposing sides are. The ambushing will be very effective initially, while the tag teaming of the Koa will be significant later on. The tiebreaker for me is the worrying fact of no down kills for the Huaorani- with the Indians being unfamiliar with the use of armor, I think it's possible that they could misjudge a supposedly dead Koa to their detriment.<br />Edge: Koa<br /><br />Terrain Manipulation: <br />Clear Huaorani edge, and another one that I think they MUST use in order to have a shot at victory. Their hunting experiences have given them excellent perspectives on cover, ambushing, and prey behavior (see: Southern Redneck) and even on enemy turf they probably can coordinate stealth raids and psychological warfare better than the Koa. The Koa aren't stupid and they also use terrain well, but not nearly to the extent of the Huaorani.<br />Edge: Huaorani<br /><br />Training and Experience:<br />Again, this is an apples-and-oranges comparison so it's tough to pick a winner. Huaorani get the edge for ambushes, hunting, etc., but there's no substitute for an institutionalized training system aimed at producing Warriors, not hunters. Perhaps you'll give the Huaorani the edge here, but I think the training of the Koa affects every other one of their skills so that narrowly takes precedent. Also, in terms of opponents other Koa and enemy soldiers > other hunters, tapirs, and missionaries.<br />Edge: Koa<br /><br />Martial Arts:<br />Edge Hawaii again, although I don't entirely rule out the tricks of the Indians in terms of stealth and precision archery. Ritual sport wrestling, though, is no match for a lethal discipline such as Lua.<br />Edge: Koa<br /><br />Motivation: While in your battle the Koa may be fighting for their homes and families, I think in general the fanatical revenge motivations of the Huaorani push them further here. However, I could see the Huaorani making temporary retreats when faced by such intimidating enemies. That doesn't mean that they'll quit, though!<br />Edge: HuaoraniVercingetorix712https://www.blogger.com/profile/16722701279702890674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-78539369630093255242011-10-24T18:54:07.036-07:002011-10-24T18:54:07.036-07:00Armor Categories:
Head Armor:
Obvious Koa edge h...Armor Categories:<br /><br />Head Armor: <br />Obvious Koa edge here, I think the most significant use of the mahiole will be, like you said, to block the blowgun shots. Outside of that, I don't see it completely stopping any Huaorani weapons but it's still better than nothing.<br />Edge: Koa<br /><br />Torso Armor:<br />Koa win again, no surprise here. The coconut fiber armor will be quite significant for those who have it, because it eliminates much of the target area for a blowgun dart hit. However, I differ with you in that I believe the bow may be able to pierce this armor up close. Remember, we are dealing with a much longer and stronger weapon here than the botto and pima and due to the poison only a grazing hit is necessary for a kill. Even if the armor stops the arrow, the Koa will be knocked on his ass regardless. The vest will still be a big plus against the Huaorani slashing weapons as well as the rather fragile spear.<br /><br />For the capes, they might stop a blow dart or two but I see them mainly being used as a distraction tactic against the less experienced Huaorani spearmen. The capes might stop the axe or machete as well, but its use is primarily offensive. As a side note, the bright capes may be a hinderance if they make their wearers easy targets to the hunters in the jungles.<br /><br />The oil just makes the Koa harder targets in melee, bolstering their advantage in that area. Without question, <br />Edge: Koa<br /><br />Blocking:<br />Koa win again due to sturdier weapons and martial arts, though there's something to be said for Huaorani mobility and evasion- they'll need to make full use of it in order to win.<br />Edge: Koa<br /><br /><br />Intangibles Categories:<br />*Note that I still prefer "intangibles" because these categories make their presence known without being physical objects like weapons and armor. In my humble opinion, pretty much every category out there is a "variable" <br /><br />Tactics: Here we have the famous Spartan vs. Ninja debate: either one can win if the situation favors them. I'm putting in the Huaorani as a narrow edge because they seem to have more strategy in their raids than just running in to cut and bludgeon. Besides, I think the Huaorani need to have an edge here if they are to have a shot at the win- they are just no match for the Koa when playing the Hawaiians' game.<br />Edge: HuaoraniVercingetorix712https://www.blogger.com/profile/16722701279702890674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-48537814148814882362011-10-24T13:53:19.539-07:002011-10-24T13:53:19.539-07:00And now for the Edge predictions.....
Long Range:...And now for the Edge predictions.....<br /><br />Long Range: The Huaorani gets it convincingly here, since I think the bow is a superior weapon to the sling in most cases. That six-foot longbow has a shot at piercing the coconut armor, and its accuracy and knockdown power play well into the Indians' ambushing tactics. The poison is an added benefit as always, but I'm thinking the arrows will do plenty of damage on their own. The blowgun may not be as useful as last time due to the Koas' harsh training and their chaotic fighting style (hard to nail someone with a blowgun when you are in javelin and pikoi range, plus the Huaorani will want to flee or go melee asap if closed on), but it'll definitely be good to an extent. I just don't think the sling will be as effective against an irregular force that likes to take cover, although the slings will definitely give the Koa a rate of fire advantage and they could let them harass the Indians if the Huaorani cover gets blown. As far as the javelins go, they might not be so effective against such elusive opponents since I doubt the Huaorani will want to stand and fight fair. I actually believe the pikoi will be useful from a novelty standpoint alone, because the Indians may get whacked if they try to use the blowgun at mid range or something. Still, the bow and cebernetas work perfectly for the Huaorani's style and their effectiveness put them over the Koa weapons for me.<br />Edge: Huaorani<br /><br />Mid Range: As you noted, the spears are about the same length. However, what is different are two factors: first and most importantly, the Koa have more experience in pitched battles with the spear and they have used spear wall tactics before to effectiveness. I just don't think the Huaorani can match this proficiency, and the Koa had formalized training as well. Secondly, I'm afraid that the Huaorani spear could break if struck with another weapon like the Newa or Pikoi. I'm also skeptical of the abilities of the Huaorani to keep multiple Koa at once (due to tag teaming) outside of the spear's dead zone. For the Koa's greater discipline, the Ihe gets the Edge.<br />Edge: Koa<br /><br />Close Range: This one's tough to decide, because the Huaorani have the better weapons while the Koa have better training and discipline. I doubt there's much the Koa has that can stop the axe or machete, and if the Huaorani stand and fight these weapons could be extremely effective. However, I just can't ignore the martial arts and training of the Koa in close range. While it seems the Huaorani use their close weapons occasionally, it's also apparent that the Koa live and die by theirs. The leiomano in particular should be effective in cutting the naked Huaorani, and it seems like the Koa are larger and more intimidating up close in general. It's not easy, but I do think the Koa deserve the Edge here.<br />Edge: Koa<br /><br />Special Weapons:<br />I think that curare, while not the game changer it was last time, will be quite effective against the unarmored Koa. In order for the Curare to be effective, however, the Huaorani will need to win the tactical game first by successfully using hit and run attacks to wear the Koa down. I think the Koa will wisen up when they lose a few to the poison, so the burden's on the Huaorani to stay elusive. In the middle of a pitched battle, I think the Curare will be slow to act and the battle must be decided by arms instead. The club I'm not taking very seriously due to the Koa martial arts, boy the long daggers give the Hawaiians a shot at offsetting their close weapon inferiority so they will be significant. If the Huaorani can use it successfully, the Curare will be an excellent asset to them.<br />Edge: HuaoraniVercingetorix712https://www.blogger.com/profile/16722701279702890674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-23099997451470534612011-10-23T16:59:19.320-07:002011-10-23T16:59:19.320-07:00Thanks for the comments!
@ Vercingetorix
Thanks f...Thanks for the comments!<br /><br />@ Vercingetorix<br />Thanks for the comment!<br />You are absolutely right that the length of the poison may not be immediate, and I'll be sure to include that in edges. I'll be operating under the assumption that where the poison hit determines how long or how severe the poison will be. A needle to a major artery will be pretty bad, whereas if you get it in the hand you have a higher liklyhood of living.<br /><br />@Master of the Boot<br /><br />Thanks man! I hope Albert vs. Helsing is going well!<br />And I hope I represented both cultures the way they would have wanted!monopolymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16100557657021711317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-45609500684736488272011-10-22T23:29:42.612-07:002011-10-22T23:29:42.612-07:00My good man :D You've outdone yourself once mo...My good man :D You've outdone yourself once more :D <br /><br />I am just bursting to see what happens next XD <br /><br />So far my bett goes to the Hawaians but things could change. I can see those big bastards winning :) <br /><br />and by the way, great way to represent both of these cultures. :) It's very sensitive and inteligent :) <br /><br />ta<br /><br />Master of the BootMaster of the Boothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284553951275227314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-23706045192256167672011-10-22T21:46:34.309-07:002011-10-22T21:46:34.309-07:00I'll post my Edge predictions tomorrow, but in...I'll post my Edge predictions tomorrow, but initially I can say that I think the Koa have a slight edge overall. While the Huaorani projectiles and ambushing will certainly be effective initially, I just don't see the Huaorani being able to stand toe to toe with hardened and disciplined warriors with superior close range abilities like the Koa. While I think the poison will be a factor, I'd be careful not to overrate its effectiveness in a pitched battle- it'd take at least several minutes to work, and the Koa may have already won by then. With that being said, I think the Indians have a shot if they can keep away and use hit and run tactics. However, they don't have much of a chance if the Koa can manage to catch up to them.Vercingetorix712https://www.blogger.com/profile/16722701279702890674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-20092758449809400942011-10-22T21:42:07.757-07:002011-10-22T21:42:07.757-07:00Thansk for the comments guys!
@ Ares
Thanks for t...Thansk for the comments guys!<br /><br />@ Ares<br />Thanks for the prediction!<br /><br />The Pikoi was chosen for long range because the Hawaiians can and did use it to catch fleeing enemies. If you saw Star Wars : The Return of the Jedi then it would be like theEqoks threw those cords that wrapped around the stormtroopers necks...except in this case it would be their feet. The Pikoi is multi-purpose, I could rightfully put it in any category, but its usefulness begins in Long Range. <br /><br />@Mike <br />Thanks for giving an opposing prediction to Ares! Its always good to compare the proponents of two sides before giving edges. I can tell this will be close, and I am quite interested in who will win myself.monopolymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16100557657021711317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-25931134369235487582011-10-22T19:43:52.129-07:002011-10-22T19:43:52.129-07:00I feel that the this will be much closer than we m...I feel that the this will be much closer than we might initially believe - the Huaorani are very dominant in close ranges, while the Koa are dominant at long distances, and they appear to split the series at medium distances. <br /><br />However, I'm going to give the edge to the Huaorani; they use superior tactics (ambushes) and their poison is going to really effect the outcome of this fight.<br /><br />Looking forward to where it goes from here!Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15739719245975518077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-75770621680966282472011-10-22T06:32:03.910-07:002011-10-22T06:32:03.910-07:00hmm, still looking very nice.
I do have a questio...hmm, still looking very nice.<br /><br />I do have a question about the Koa's.<br />Why did you choose to use the pikoi in long range instead of midrange?<br />Will the rope of this weapon be used the same as the strangling cord; Blocking, catching the weapon and flipping?<br /><br />As for the match itself, the Native Americans will prob. score very good with their ambushes and raids. The poison will also help to some extent but I feel that the Koa's have this battle. They were trained for battle and know how to fight a war. They have good weapons, good armour and good unarmed combat. The training that they recieved will also help a lot in this battle. <br />Also the Koa's have taken down the shaolin monks succefully who had a lot of steel weapons.<br /><br />The most succesful Huaorani weapons will be the blowgun and Machete.<br /><br />The most succesful Koa weapons will be the pikoi, ihe and laimohanoBucklerArthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09437486831825379854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-39788190594129218392011-10-21T19:27:44.487-07:002011-10-21T19:27:44.487-07:00This is going along very quickly, I'm impresse...This is going along very quickly, I'm impressed with your progress. I guess that having already done the research for these two means that you can move on to the real substance of the match- the Edges and the Battle. As of right now, I don't have a clear cut favorite; maybe the intangibles categories will help to clarify things.Vercingetorix712https://www.blogger.com/profile/16722701279702890674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-44309563219405744112011-10-20T22:17:36.363-07:002011-10-20T22:17:36.363-07:00Thanks for the comments guys~!
@ Ares
Generally ...Thanks for the comments guys~!<br /><br />@ Ares<br /><br />Generally Huaorani beliefs demand that the spear lay stuck into the foes body, and the tip breaks usually when sticking it into someone, and could be broken off completely with minimum effort. The Huaorani solve this problem by A. sharpening on both ends and B. bringing multiple spears (just learned that fact).monopolymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16100557657021711317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-73094579808218251612011-10-20T05:42:31.747-07:002011-10-20T05:42:31.747-07:00Nice one. The huaorani are fearsome warriors indee...Nice one. The huaorani are fearsome warriors indeed and it will be dangerous to face them. Their x-factor is dangerous and may decide the outcome. I do think that the koa will win due to the armour.<br /><br />Cannot wait for the Koa bio btw.<br /><br />I do have one question. You said that the spear is a weapon with maximum two shots, i can understand that. But if a spear kills someone in the first shot, does it still get a second one or is it done?<br /><br />I think it will be hard to aim it at an opponent while somebody is stuck in the buttendBucklerArthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09437486831825379854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527019126468463498.post-74322857859114854052011-10-13T13:22:59.813-07:002011-10-13T13:22:59.813-07:00Good to see this! Looking forward to its continua...Good to see this! Looking forward to its continuation.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15739719245975518077noreply@blogger.com